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If you want android gaming two analog nubs, l1, r1, r1, r2 ,and a dpad go get a gameklip its 15 bucks and lets you use a real ps3 controller and fits on most phones. There isn't one for tablets yet though so if you want a 7 inch screen you need to go elsewhere. I was given a gameklip and have not bought a chinese PMP since. I'm not trying to hijack the thread I am only mentioning this since some people seem to be disappointed about this device. I did a review of it on my channel if you want to see what it looks like.

Yeah I have given up on the gamepad, when comparing the screen to other devices, it is not that impressive. I also need a decent d-pad. I have decided to go the gameklip route and get a ps3 controller. I think I am going to get a Samsung Galaxy Note 2, which is quad core and 2 gigs of ram and a 5.5 inch screen. It also has a pretty good battery. That combined with a ps3 controller and a gameklip is probably the best overall option for an android handheld at the moment. The note 2 is a bit of overkill and not cheap, but I like the larger screen.

I may just wait until after Christmas and see if I can somehow get my hands on a note 2 for a reasonable cost without using it as my phone and getting a contract. I figure even if I had to pay 350-400 for it, it would still be less then what I end up spending on other inferior and disappointing android handhelds. But I will probably need a phone soon anyway, so may just get it as my main phone.  Just getting tired of waiting for something to replace the Xperia Play's quality and performance.

Moving your left thumb from the controls will be stupid? It sure is odd, but stupid? Stupid would be making the device thicker to fit them in the right place. Remains to be seen... There are some new videos flowing around the forum of devs moving their fingers off nubs. You saw that, didn't you 

The R2+L2 is better than no R2+L2 in my book. There are a lot of devices (even new and "new" gaming devices) that have no L2+R2. That can also be said for the dual, "real analogue", nub... Just sayin'..

And as for the headphone jack sticking out..maybe it's a by-product of build quality... Seeing it does not mess with functionality I'd say it is a welcome addition.

I'm also relay curious to see how it stands against the JXD 7300. In terms of looks..the archos wins..only a blind (or blinded) man/woman wouldn't see that.

Yes, having L2/R2 is better than nothing, but still the button placement IS stupid. It's all style over usability and I would say it is a design failure. I don't know how well a side by side placement would work out as I have never tried one before, but they could have just made a six button layout instead. Both are better alternatives and don't make the device any thicker. Same goes for the dpad with buttons instead of a connected one (and NO, the Playstation design isn't the same, they are connected underneath).
I can't help you if you can't see the problem with moving your left thumb from the movement controls.

From pictures, I actually prefer the look of the new JXD devices (Nintendo 3DS/DS look) over the Archos. I think the Archos looks really ugly, like a tablet with glued on controls. The small details like the bezel, the rough area around the analog sticks etc. look cheap.

Hi guys!

i'm preparing a review of this device, and i found a problem that i think is interesting to post here.

i grab two videos about overlapping button (yes... there is overlappings... and many)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjas85fKD9I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2x8SL3x5Q4

as i said on another forums, my feel is that these problem may be solved with some update from archos.

for now, i only tested with FPSe. now, iīm preparing other testings to add to my review. if i found any intetersting to show you before, i'll post here.

greetings!

@Deen0x

Could you please make a test with the following rom for SNES :

http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=917&action=showrom&id=1399348



This a controller test for super famicom and it's pretty visual so it's making button overlapping quite obvious when there are (I used that one to test the Yinlips G16 and it's a real nightmare)

I will not buy the gamepad since button overlapping will probably not be adressed by a firmware fix (never saw any fix for that on other android devices).

I don't understand why the manufacturers don't use standard usb gamepad built in (as long as they use at least ICS).

It looks like we still have a standard keyboard hack with all the annoyances it can cause to the final user.

Still hoping JXD will make things right for the s7300 and "keep fingers cross" for the s5600.

To sum up :
- good screen : not necessary IPS or amoled but at least bright and colorfull.
- good capacitive technology (5 point) : reactive
- perfect controls : true dpad (1 piece), separate analog and buttons and NO overlapping at all.
- good battery life
- at least decent wifi
- built in bluetooth could be a plus.

It seems mandatory to get at least a device that matches or beats the xperia play (a device that is more than 3 years old now).

Here's a dropbox link :

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69681052/Controller%20Test%20Cassette%20%28Japan%29.zip

testing with the snes program.
note:

[L eft]           [R ight]

   U                  Y
L    R            X     B
   D                  A

[Select]        [Start]


All alone works ok

U+L = Ok
D+L = Ok
D+R = need to press many times to get Ok (only register Right). Note: when pressing both and the buttons are registered correctly, in less a second the Down key is released automatically.
U+R = Cannot get Ok pressing many times. Using Stick to pass this.

A+X = Only X
A+B = Ok
X+Y = Ok
Y+B = Ok
X+B = Ok
Y+A = Only Y


X+A+B = No reaction
A+B+Y = No reaction
B+Y+X = No reaction
Y+X+A = No reaction

B+Y+X + D-PAD = Appears to keep working, but curiosily, D-PAD Down+Right works well (register more times and keep pressed)

Other combination of 3 action buttons + D-PAD, have issues.

pressing A+B+X+Y = no reaction

pressing A+B+X+Y + D-PAD = only works  UP and Down

Testing with L1 + R1 triggers i have the same issues (apparently, tirggers donīt make any difference)

Testing with L2 + R2, triggers, apparently L2 generate issues on D-PAD when pressed (some buttons donīt register press).

for now, i need somebody that can confirm have issues too with D-PAD to get clear about is a specific problem of my device or a generic problem.

note: the behavior of the buttons when pressed make me to think this is a software problem. if hardware problem, then D-PAD Down + Right never will pass on this test, but there are sometimes when button press can register correctly.
the combination B+Y+X + D-PAD Down+Right may confirm the above, because if i press B+Y+X and then press Down + Right, if the progran donīt register the pressed buttons inmediately, if i wait for some time (half second) the buttons will be registered correctly as pressed (is the opposite as when i press down+right without B+Y+X, that will unpress after a moment)

is there any other guy with this device that can test the same to confirm is not only my device the problem?

anybody is working on rooting this?

yes, i tried, but this is another way of usage.

mapping hardware buttons to virtual buttons always will be most limited, because the limit of 5 touchs at the same time that the driver of the screen can handle
then, you are limited to: (example)

- diagonal up+left + one trigger (Left) + two buttons (A+X).

- you cannot do diagonal (any) + 4 buttons (A + B + X + Y) + Any other trigger/button, because you're pressing 6 points...

think on any combination with more than 5 press buttons... and you cannot do this.

in another hand, i tested virtual screen mapping with FPSe and similar, and the issue is present too. this mean that the problem start from the buttons selfs. if the button cannot send information about down + right pressed at the same time, then the virtualizator cannot show down + right pressed virtual buttons.

I insist, i belive that this issue can be solved via software, but we need that Archos people get on this and work in a new firmware.