Author Topic: Anyone else excited for the w3D? (Read 31518 times)

Mountainmohawk · « **on:** August 28, 2015, 02:36:00 pm »

So the w3d releases September 29. I'm pretty excited for it, but I don't know if I'd use it as a phone unless it gets Android M.

Is anybody else excited for this device?

nielo360 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 28, 2015, 04:22:02 pm »

Quote from: Mountainmohawk on August 28, 2015, 02:36:00 pm

So the w3d releases September 29. I'm pretty excited for it, but I don't know if I'd use it as a phone unless it gets Android M.

Is anybody else excited for this device?

I was going to order it, but given past experience mediatek is a very poorly implemented low cost soc, Bluetooth is not supported by many radios, no root, no android M update support (snail is unlikely to do this), Game controller driver is not HID (huge issue here, take w1 for example, many games will simply shut off touch screen controls and mapping wont work either, real racing etc) Terrible mapper( conflicts with many apps) No custom firmware(snail does not release sources) weak raido's(this is a guarantee) advertised to run at 2ghz( heat will be a major issue ) no l3 R3 (fixable with tincore), mediatek may not support gamestream or will have a large delay with its video encoding.

That being said I may order it just out of curiosity but the poor quality dpad, analog nubs(not sticks) ..there are simply too many negatives. Mainstream media rarely understands how to properly check controls, screen refresh rate etc..hence most outlets will say:
2ghz, has nice buttons ..a bit long but nice device for gamers(take that for what its worth)

Mountainmohawk · « **Reply #2 on:** August 28, 2015, 07:52:05 pm »

Oh man, that stinks. How would the mediatek compare to like a rockchip in the XD?

skelton · « **Reply #3 on:** August 28, 2015, 08:20:14 pm »

Quote from: Mountainmohawk on August 28, 2015, 07:52:05 pm

Oh man, that stinks. How would the mediatek compare to like a rockchip in the XD?

The MTK6595 is slightly better, but if w3d is fullHD (it is?) they will perform pretty much the same. In practical terms, you will play the same games or emus in both. I think Snail should have included the MTK6752, which performs pretty much the same as the MTK6595 but at half the price more or less.

Also, I agree with nielo360 that Snail must improve their firmware support, because they haven't released a device yet with a 60 hz screen refresh rate, essential for accurate emulation. Or just something like a standard HID controller.

Girl · « **Reply #4 on:** August 29, 2015, 03:43:55 am »

Quote from: Mountainmohawk on August 28, 2015, 02:36:00 pm

Is anybody else excited for this device?

no since it's ultra expensive

i would want it if the price wasn't 400 dollars, that is Way too much =^| i could find a samsung note 4 on ebay for less than that price

if the dpad is sensitive it might be good for fighting games but , for that much money i don't care what it's good at lol

DroidX2 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 29, 2015, 04:25:46 am »

Actually, I am rather excited about it. Been waiting for it since release. I don't expect it to be the perfect phone, but other phones aren't that perfect to me. Plain and simple, W3D has game controls and a decent working phone. Other phones are awesome, but no game controls built in.

I have the Snail W1, and without game controls, it's a decent phone, it works, and works fast honestly. I had 5 games running in the background with no slowdown as I switched between them.

Honestly, I'm not looking for perfection, I'm looking for a decent gaming phone. I agree with Nielo360, whereas mainstream users will be frustrated trying to use the phone fully. I am currently experiencing an issue with Implosion, whereas the on screen controls are disabled, and the face buttons don't work on the game. While I am trying to find a way around that, once again, others won't, and that may completely kill the phone. I wish they would have incorporated a simplified Tincore into their system.

In the end, regardless of the shortcomings, I am extremely enjoying the W1 and can't wait to get the W3D.

fofo33 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 29, 2015, 05:59:36 pm »

Quote from: Girl on August 29, 2015, 03:43:55 am

Quote from: Mountainmohawk on August 28, 2015, 02:36:00 pm
Is anybody else excited for this device?

no since it's ultra expensive

i would want it if the price wasn't 400 dollars, that is Way too much =^| i could find a samsung note 4 on ebay for less than that price

if the dpad is sensitive it might be good for fighting games but , for that much money i don't care what it's good at lol

I'm with you. I might buy it for 150 USD, not for 400 USD. I have a JXD 7800 and a Meizu MX4, the Snail doesn't give nothing new and interesting to me. I'm waiting for the new generation android consoles, something that can emulates the Game Cube, Play 2 and Wii games. I may pay 400USD for something with these features, not for this shitty Snail brick.

SONY · « **Reply #7 on:** August 29, 2015, 06:40:12 pm »

My answer is...Yes, if it actually does end up being released on the 29th of September.

silvacrest · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2015, 02:35:53 pm »

Yep, im excited, people can shit on this for the price, mediatek etc but guess what naysayers? no one else has bothered to make a somewhat highend gaming phone since the xperia play. no one else has bothered to get interest from places like XDA, E3, MWC etc

and for the guys wanting to pay something like $150, i would assume you wont complain about poor build quality, lack luster specs, zero advertising (this is actually important to die hard fans of gaming phones because if it sells poorly, neither snail or anyone else is likely to try again)

that being said, i dont like paying a lot for phones but i am a firm believer in you get what you pay for and people who have had hands on time with the device gave positive feedback so im optimistic

Girl · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:25:31 pm »

Quote from: fofo33 on August 29, 2015, 05:59:36 pm

I might buy it for 150 USD, not for 400 USD. I may pay 400USD for something with these features, not for this shitty Snail brick.

lol mean

Quote from: silvacrest on August 31, 2015, 02:35:53 pm

if it sells poorly, neither snail or anyone else is likely to try again

so what? snail doesn't have to try again , the great thing about android is there's so much different phones that can play emulators and games

there's always going to be these kinds of handhelds in 1 way or another because of android phones, there's so much controller options that strap to the phone which turns any of them into a gaming handheld

you can't say "not with these specs" either because samsung keeps coming out with faster and faster phones , then their older/still fast phones go down in price yay =^)

if someone spent less money than the w3D for some random phone and controller add-on , they get to have lots of advantages over the people that buy handhelds with the controller permanently attached

1) if the controller has something break on it - you can replace it instead of losing the whole handheld
2) bunches of battery options, if the phone is common then the battery prices won't be bad and you could find them easier
3) if the phone's screen breaks you could take the controller off and put it on the replacement
4) you aren't married to the dpad if you don't like the feel of it, just attach a different type of controller

there's probably more to list but i am multitasking lots , anyways i understand your worry on the subject at least =^p

jamesensor · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2015, 04:24:51 pm »

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Stay tuned for more updates on this exciting thread!

SONY · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2015, 04:28:32 pm »

lmfao :d

silvacrest · « **Reply #12 on:** September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am »

Quote from: Girl on September 01, 2015, 01:25:31 pm

Quote from: fofo33 on August 29, 2015, 05:59:36 pm
I might buy it for 150 USD, not for 400 USD. I may pay 400USD for something with these features, not for this shitty Snail brick.
lol mean

Quote from: silvacrest on August 31, 2015, 02:35:53 pm
if it sells poorly, neither snail or anyone else is likely to try again

so what? snail doesn't have to try again , the great thing about android is there's so much different phones that can play emulators and games

there's always going to be these kinds of handhelds in 1 way or another because of android phones, there's so much controller options that strap to the phone which turns any of them into a gaming handheld

you can't say "not with these specs" either because samsung keeps coming out with faster and faster phones , then their older/still fast phones go down in price yay =^)

if someone spent less money than the w3D for some random phone and controller add-on , they get to have lots of advantages over the people that buy handhelds with the controller permanently attached

1) if the controller has something break on it - you can replace it instead of losing the whole handheld
2) bunches of battery options, if the phone is common then the battery prices won't be bad and you could find them easier
3) if the phone's screen breaks you could take the controller off and put it on the replacement
4) you aren't married to the dpad if you don't like the feel of it, just attach a different type of controller

there's probably more to list but i am multitasking lots , anyways i understand your worry on the subject at least =^p

Seriously....if that is your thinking why are you even here? i would have thought guys and girls in this thread are here because they want a good GAMING PHONE, if a control and mount is all you require great, others like my self want a good all in one package.

And no, there isn't always going to be these kind of handhelds, there is only the xperia play and a handful of China GAMING PHONES, i have to stress gaming phone again because if i wanted something like a JXD S7800B they already exist so i wouldn't be here.

heres a few reasons why a actual gamer would want this phone over the concoction you described

1. one device that does it all in one unibody form factor
2. never have to remember to bring your gamepad and your phone
3. never have to charge both the phone and gamepad
4. one less thing to take with you outside
5. can fit in your pocket for quick access versus a phone + gamepad
6. no bluetooth issues including connectivity or battery drain

there are probably more a true gaming phone fan can think of

Lastly, im not worried about anything, at the very least, the device i have wanted for ages has finally arrived, no more cheaply made build quality, no 4g, no 1080p screen, we are finally getting something that isn't 2-3 years out of date before launch

� · « **Reply #13 on:** September 02, 2015, 04:00:50 am »

And yet, the w3d (by specs) is redundant, and therefore too expensive for gaming.
If you turn on the 3D, you get 540p resolution. That isn't HD, that's not even close - that's why modern phones boast QHD, so they can work properly with VR headsets (I don't believe DPI difference is noticeable at normal usage, even between 1080p and 720p). Further more, there aren't even that many apps on Android that support that implementation of stereoscopic 3D, so it's not even clear if Snail will have anything proprietary or adapt from Google Cardboard.

Honestly, I was excited about the Much W when it was announced, more than a year ago. But a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then, and it just seems slightly outdated and overpriced - and the media blackout isn't doing it any good.
Seriously, I bought my phone a year ago. It's comparable to the Much W in terms of screen and screen size and SoC, and it only lacks the controls. It cost me $140 a year ago, and they're now planning to sell the Much W and W3D at more than twice that price, and that's insane. Snail should really rethink their business model.

Girl · « **Reply #14 on:** September 02, 2015, 09:37:59 am »

before i reply to this umm just so you know i have SO much regular handhelds from two years ago like A380 and Caanoo and GP2X and PSP, and i regret ALL of them since now i realized that any phone with android can just attach a controller add-on and be a gaming handheld

so it's not like i never loved the idea of having the controls built in , i just don't think it's a good idea anymore since i'm pretty good at fighting games and don't want to have the dpad chosen for me ! i don't want some uncommon battery forced on me either psh

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am

Seriously....if that is your thinking why are you even here?

because the post was asking "is anyone else excited" and shows a vote =^) i didn't know it meant "only yes votes are allowed"

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am

2. never have to remember to bring your gamepad and your phone

if you have it attached to the phone you don't have to remember them separate , they sell these attachment controllers i swear ?? look on youtube !

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am

5. can fit in your pocket for quick access versus a phone + gamepad

i'm talking about the controllers that attach to the phone as one piece , why can't that fit in a pocket any less than the w3D ?

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am

Lastly, im not worried about anything

oh ok, because your post said you were concerned about the w3D selling poorly and how it meant "the end of gaming phones" i took that as you being worried =^p

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am

the device i have wanted for ages has finally arrived

same here, except mine is " any device made from a good company with android on it " since i'll get to choose the dpad instead of them forcing me to use one that isn't good

i'll get to choose the battery i'll get to choose the cute buttons , i'll get to choose like So much things

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am

no more cheaply made build quality

LOL says who ? =^) look how everyone thought the GPD XD would be such great build quality and it wasn't

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am

getting something that isn't 2-3 years out of date before launch

ooh! that one is good for adding to my list of "advantages android phone w/controller people have" thanks! lol

silvacrest · « **Reply #15 on:** September 02, 2015, 10:16:04 am »

Quote from: Made in China on September 02, 2015, 04:00:50 am

And yet, the w3d (by specs) is redundant, and therefore too expensive for gaming.
If you turn on the 3D, you get 540p resolution. That isn't HD, that's not even close - that's why modern phones boast QHD, so they can work properly with VR headsets (I don't believe DPI difference is noticeable at normal usage, even between 1080p and 720p). Further more, there aren't even that many apps on Android that support that implementation of stereoscopic 3D, so it's not even clear if Snail will have anything proprietary or adapt from Google Cardboard.

Honestly, I was excited about the Much W when it was announced, more than a year ago. But a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then, and it just seems slightly outdated and overpriced - and the media blackout isn't doing it any good.
Seriously, I bought my phone a year ago. It's comparable to the Much W in terms of screen and screen size and SoC, and it only lacks the controls. It cost me $140 a year ago, and they're now planning to sell the Much W and W3D at more than twice that price, and that's insane. Snail should really rethink their business model.

i would have never used the 3D feature, just being honest, and i want the screen to be HD for general phone purposes as i doubt android games and emulators would benefit at all.

you guys have to admit the w3D is somewhat highend in comparison to what already exists (the much w1 is the highest end gaming phone currently available, would i prefer the snail w? sure, but snail are pushing the w3d now with no launch date for the w1, is it expensive? yes, especially in comparison to what exists but according to my findings it will be justified in some areas

silvacrest · « **Reply #16 on:** September 02, 2015, 11:01:28 am »

Quote from: Girl on September 02, 2015, 09:37:59 am

before i reply to this umm just so you know i have SO much regular handhelds from two years ago like A380 and Caanoo and GP2X and PSP, and i regret ALL of them since now i realized that any phone with android can just attach a controller add-on and be a gaming handheld

so it's not like i never loved the idea of having the controls built in , i just don't think it's a good idea anymore since i'm pretty good at fighting games and don't want to have the dpad chosen for me ! i don't want some uncommon battery forced on me either psh

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am
Seriously....if that is your thinking why are you even here?
because the post was asking "is anyone else excited" and shows a vote =^) i didn't know it meant "only yes votes are allowed"

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am
2. never have to remember to bring your gamepad and your phone
if you have it attached to the phone you don't have to remember them separate , they sell these attachment controllers i swear ?? look on youtube !

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am
5. can fit in your pocket for quick access versus a phone + gamepad
i'm talking about the controllers that attach to the phone as one piece , why can't that fit in a pocket any less than the w3D ?

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am
Lastly, im not worried about anything
oh ok, because your post said you were concerned about the w3D selling poorly and how it meant "the end of gaming phones" i took that as you being worried =^p

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am
the device i have wanted for ages has finally arrived
same here, except mine is " any device made from a good company with android on it " since i'll get to choose the dpad instead of them forcing me to use one that isn't good

i'll get to choose the battery i'll get to choose the cute buttons , i'll get to choose like So much things

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am
no more cheaply made build quality
LOL says who ? =^) look how everyone thought the GPD XD would be such great build quality and it wasn't

Quote from: silvacrest on September 02, 2015, 03:45:38 am
getting something that isn't 2-3 years out of date before launch
ooh! that one is good for adding to my list of "advantages android phone w/controller people have" thanks! lol

Ok....I wont address all your points because you clearly are happy with a phone and gamepad which is fine, im not trying to perusuade you that one is better then the other, it all comes down to user preference.

anyway, your points, D pad and battery? the D pad is just user preference, personally i use the nubs for fighting games now as the D pad hurts my thumb after a while. this phone has a 4000 mah battery, i would have a second one plus a power bank so not concerned there.

are you always going to have your phone attached to your gamepad? i dont think so, so yes, remembering to bring it with you is a concern.

even a somewhat slim gamepad will add bulk to your pocket, might fit, might not, if it does i doubt it will be comfortable.

in terms of build quality im going by the hands on time people have mentioned on youtube and articles, check the XDA one if you want

again, if it sells decently, other manufacturers might be willing to take a risk and produce something similar, maybe something better, if it bombs we will probably be stuck with getting 1 or 2 cheap ($150) gaming phones a year, some might be okay with that but you really cant complain about much with that price. the w3d will do me fine for 1 to 3 years if i had no viable options.

i already have a gampad + phone setup and its not for me.

i still dont get why you are here though, sure a question was asked and you answered but everyone else here seems to at least want a all in one gaming phone while you dont, arguing specs and price is one thing, arguing for a complete alternative is something else

its almost like walking into a fish and chips shop (i am british) with a box of chicken and chips just to argue that chicken and chips is better, it comes down to buyer preference but why walk into a place and argue such a thing? presumably people in the shop want the fish

� · « **Reply #17 on:** September 02, 2015, 11:37:43 am »

The difference between us is that you're willing to pay a lot more just to have the controls on your device, while we can play with a controller. But the Much devices pretty much negate every positive that they might have.

+They have 3D! -Not up to par in terms of resolution.
+It's an all-in-one device! -The device is outdated.
+It's a Chinese phone! -That costs as much as a western phone.

I can see why you are excited, it has a lot of pros to it - but truth be told, it's just a mess. For every thing it does right it does something wrong, and I know it even before it's released. Paying $300 for something like that is beyond ridiculous.

silvacrest · « **Reply #18 on:** September 02, 2015, 03:22:24 pm »

i respect your point of view but you are assuming a lot, it being an all in one device has nothing to do with it being out dated specs wise. thats just what you have to accept with china phones

this ideology that chinese = cheap and chinese must be cheap before im interested, means we will never get high end gear just more jdx crap.

no one cares about 3d so not really a con because it can and will be turned off

im willing to bet this will be significantly better then the much w1 but i understand why some dont share that opinion

maybe some of you are content on $150 chinese devices that you dont expect much from or buying a $40 controller is good enough but like i said, im willing to give this a shot, when the previews and reviews roll up we will see if my optimism was warranted

if all i wanted was gaming controls on the phone i would buy a much w1 (again) and be content with 720p screen, poor build, poor support, poor camera, no 4g etc, im taking a gamble but i think the w3d will alleviate these problems and yup, im willing to pay for this, the $150 devices i have purchased have either fallen apart, have buggy firmware or have no support

and i am done commenting about this, we are just going around in circles anyway

fofo33 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 02, 2015, 05:19:53 pm »

Solve all the problems related with the Snail W3d is absolutely easy --> put the device in his correct range of price --> 140-160 USD. Why the enterprise doesn't listen their consumers? TOO EXPENSIVE, LISTEN ME: TOO EXPENSIVE.

Author Topic: Anyone else excited for the w3D? (Read 31518 times)

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